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Congressman Norman, thank you for doing this.

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I appreciate you being in Greenville.

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It's good to see you.

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Thanks so much.

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My pleasure.

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Glad to be with you.

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I want to talk to you about this run for Senate, because this has really happened very fast,

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and there's a lot of key players in this.

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Now, why do you want South Carolinians to send you to DC for a different job this time?

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Well, first of all, it's unfortunate with Lindsey.

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I got to call it 259 that morning.

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He died.

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I thought it was a hoax, but unfortunately he did.

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That being said, it's a fast, quick trip to replace him.

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I'm the best one, and the reason I'm running, this country is at a tipping point.

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The Senate has been the graveyard for good legislation.

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The bills that we passed from the House over, they just died.

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And the fact that we cannot get a Save America Act, which is to verify that you're an American

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citizen before you vote in elections, and you verify that.

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We cannot get that passed.

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I'm from blowing up the filibuster for doing whatever it takes.

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The umbrella for all of this is the America First agenda, which is secure.

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I border, make sure I lower peace through strength.

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And I'm the only one in this race that's got a conservative background.

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I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk, and people ought to know where we are on the

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issues.

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And they know where I am on every single issue.

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And that's why I've been endorsed by Rick Scott, Mike Lee, Jim Dement, Mark Meadows,

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turning point USA in many more, because this is an important election.

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It's for a six-year term, and I'm anxious to get the Senate working again.

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I know when you were thinking about this, you reached out to the President, you asked for

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his support.

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Ultimately, he endorsed Darlene Graham instead.

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Why do you think he chose to go with her?

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I think there was some sentimental value.

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I mean, the fact that she's Lindsey's sister, he thought a lot of Lindsey.

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I went to both funerals for Lindsey.

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It was unanimous on both funerals.

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He was a good guy.

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People liked him.

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And that would be part of his legacy, as well as what he did for judges.

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All right.

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And so, when you decided to run, you had just come off of the governor's race.

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And so now you're seeking this.

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You talk a lot about term limits.

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Some of the criticism you get in my comments is that you're not the youngest person always

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in the room.

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What would you say to people who are a little hesitant because of your age, perhaps?

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Well, I would have them to ask Donald Trump if he's too old.

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I would have them ask if they could get a hold of Ronald Reagan.

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Is he too old?

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Conservative votes don't have an age limit.

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I'm younger than either Trump or Reagan was during their term.

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It's laughable to even bringing this up.

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So term limits, I agree with.

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I've term limited myself every time.

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When I don't run for two officers, when I ran for, against John Spratt, I gave up my

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house seat.

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When I ran against Congress in 2017, I gave up my house seat.

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And now I had term limited myself in Congress.

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Eight years is enough and I was willing to do that.

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But those who are guilty of, I would say, milking the system, who stay there forever, they're

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the ones that, and I agree with term limits altogether, but the ones who live off government

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and get richer, that's not right.

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And I'm not one of those.

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Well, and I think you raised a good point about limiting yourself and stepping away, not running

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for two officers at one time, which some other people are doing in this race and are facing

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a lot of backlash for it.

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I want to talk to you next about some of your priorities, because in the Senate, you said everything

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goes to die there.

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And so much of that is true, because the House puts out good legislation in many cases, and

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the Senate kills it.

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So what do you want to do differently?

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What can you do differently if you're there and not some of these people who've been there

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for 100 years?

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Well, the lense pen for our democracy is having open and fair elections.

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The Save America Act is the number one act that to have to battle to get something that's

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part of the Constitution, particularly we've had 20 million or more come across the border

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illegally that are now voting in our elections, and to not to require you to be a U.S. citizen,

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that's not too much.

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That's top priority.

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I will nuke the filibuster to get it, because you can't get 60 votes with the Senate as

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it's made up, 50% plus one we can get.

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But I know no more important issue than that.

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And overall is the America First Agenda, which is all the basic things that made this

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country great, including peace through strength, and getting our economy back on track.

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This country's going broke, and if we don't address it now, I don't know when the time

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is, and I'm willing to back that up with votes, and I'm willing to spend the next six

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years doing that, and represent South Carolina.

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Conservative groups like CPAC Heritage Foundation, they give you pretty high marks.

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How do their current ratings sort of lay out what kind of a senator you would be?

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They tell the tale.

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I mean, the reason I get a heritage club for growth, CPAC, the Freedom Index, the reason

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I get 90 in the top five, 10% is because my votes back up my rhetoric.

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You can't say that.

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I'm not one of these who campaigns on conservatism, and then goes up there and breaks the bank and

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spends money that we don't have.

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That's the problem we're in.

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Now the cancer in America is overspending, and name me one company, one business, one country

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that can last if you're in debt up to your eyeballs.

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In America, our debt interest exceeds the national defense.

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It's over a trillion dollars.

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It's unsustainable.

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Absolutely it is.

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You have talked a lot about your plan to continue being conservative and working on

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all those America-first agendas, as you say, you want to nuke the filibuster.

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Tell me a little bit more about that.

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Well, you know, I was coming out of the funeral for Senator Graham and I asked one of the

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senators.

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I said, looks like y'all in session.

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He says, we are.

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I said, what are you doing?

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Nothing.

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His response was nothing.

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And why not try a walking filibuster?

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Make them stand up there and defend it.

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Make them take the vote, if that doesn't work, and I think it would, to do away with it altogether.

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It takes 50% plus one with vice president.

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It'll pass.

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Now you're not going to get 60 votes.

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But the thing about it, Jackson, if the Democrats ever take control of the Senate, they're going

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to nuke it anyway and change the way we do our judges, make Washington a state.

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They will, you know, like the socialists are doing in New York, do away with that police

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force, do all the things that socialist countries do, that's who we're fighting.

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It's not the Republicans that I'm running against.

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It's socialism, communism at its height, and it directly affects young people like you

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and others.

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Absolutely.

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Who feel like they're never going to have social security and all those wonderful things.

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And I know a lot of people are worried about that quickly.

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I want your reaction to Dr. Fauci's testimony.

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We saw him just recently.

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He didn't have much to say, but he had one thing to say 111 times.

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What do you make of his testimony?

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You know, when I watched that, him pleading the Fifth Amendment, when Senator Marino and

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others grilled him, he killed a million people.

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He was on the take.

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I was the only Congressman that stood with the frontline doctors.

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I was the only one on that hot day, and when I was only the one that, well, one of the

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few that got fined for not wearing a mask, it's abominable what he did.

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He will pay a price, maybe not here, but he'll pay a price at some point for doing what he's

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Everything he did was a lie.

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It was a fake.

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And so I think he was poignant when they asked him, can you at least stand up and apologize?

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And he took the Fifth.

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That tells y'all.

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And he couldn't even identify the color of the carpet in front of him or the tie that he

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I mean, it was just really laughable a lot of what he was saying up there.

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I spoke to a lot of people who wanted your take, and I asked people what they wanted

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me to ask you.

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And many people wanted to talk about Sylfab Solar and Fort Mill.

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They are really unhappy with it, but they know you're pro-America, pro-manufacturing all

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those things.

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What do you say to those people who are upset by the chemical issues and things that have gone

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on with that?

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Sylfab was a company that took over a vacant building.

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They had the support of Henry McMaster.

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They had the support.

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They received commerce money, incentives.

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A school was being built, already underway.

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I think it was through what was finished.

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They were mad that I didn't take a stance against the company.

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I'm not on the County Council.

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I'm not on the Planning Commission.

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I can't support.

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And I get asked a lot, can you support this building that's going up?

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Can you support different companies coming in?

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I can't show favoritism at all.

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And they criticized me for being on the Solar Caucus in Congress.

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Yes, there are a hundred caucuses and getting it from the Sun, our electricity through

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panels is cheaper than buying it through Duke Power.

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But they were accusing me a lot of things.

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I had a, you know, I'm in a real estate business, they accused me of making money on it.

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But I had nothing to do with self-am.

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And I had a town hall meeting, answered all questions, had the different parties there.

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But it's simply, you know, the court system, which the court recently ruled in their favor

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as far as the zoning not matching the use.

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Which is fine.

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That's the proper course to take.

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And another thing people want to talk about was MMTLP.

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They feel like that you were, this is the meta materials and torchlight energy they felt

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like you.

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You came out aggressively for them, you wanted to fight hard and they felt abandoned.

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And people cite FOIA requests where the issue was just kind of left behind.

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What would you say to the people who are disappointed in your stance or action or whatever you make

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of what they're saying to criticize you on that deal?

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They can criticize me.

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But I did everything I could.

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They bought over the counter stocks.

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The stocks, the different companies are in lawsuits.

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You couldn't get any information.

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I hate they made an investment and lost it.

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and I've met countless times.

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I put our staff on it, but I can't make a company that has defrauded.

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And I think they did defraud the customers who bought the stock.

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But I can't undo that.

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When you buy stock over the counter, or really when you invest in stock, you take a risk.

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And it's simply unfounded.

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If you ask anybody, I did everything I know to do.

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And I hate it happen, but I can't put toothpaste back in the tube and go back and have them

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not invest in it.

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They invested in it.

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And a lot of military and just regular citizens and I hate it for them, but I can't control

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And it's like the Silfab.

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I can't be on, I'm not on the approving bodies that approve their use.

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I can't go back to the companies that defrauded them.

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And I think they got a case for that.

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All right.

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And we'll see how that plays out in the court system, wherever.

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A couple more before I let you go.

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You have a number of opponents.

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We've talked about that already.

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One in particular is close with you in the polls.

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And that's Darlene who has the president's endorsement.

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She's done no interviews.

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I think one with Sean Hannity beyond that, nothing else.

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I think people sympathize with her because they understand that it's a tragedy and she

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was thrust into the Senate, but she's not taking questions.

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And so I think that's really damaging for her.

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I'm curious if you agree and your reaction to the polls that have come out recently, including

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one yesterday that has you ahead by a couple of points.

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Still a lot of people undecided, but you're leading in a lot of these polls.

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25% undecided.

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Look, Jackson, if you run for office, it's your duty, regardless of who you are, to take

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any and all questions.

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I didn't know what questions you were going to ask.

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That's how it ought to be.

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I did it to Governor.

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When I was running for Governor, I attended every forum and I didn't care if it's five

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people there or 500.

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I owe it to you to answer questions as best that I can and take on all issues because I'm

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going to have to deal with that in the Senate and everybody needs to do this.

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Now, if you're unwilling to answer questions, what are you going to do when you get there

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and have to vote on things, the people who support me or against me need to know where

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I stand.

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I'm the only one that's got a record.

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I'm the only one that can defend anything I've done because I believe in conservatism

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and I believe in being up front with people.

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My record shows that.

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So she can chart her own course.

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She did choose to get in this race.

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She could have been a placeholder.

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But as I've told when I don't know her, I met her, she's a nice person and I wish her

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the best.

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Competition is good.

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I don't care if we have 50 in there.

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Let's debate.

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Let's go have interviews like this and it's pretty basic to me.

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I agree and I think your ad said it best.

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You don't need to guess people's positions, especially in the Senate, much less anything

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else.

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I think that's a good point that you raised.

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Last question before I let you go.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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You know, you really need to have and I've thought about this a lot.

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I was in the business arena well before I got into politics.

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I was in my 50s and some people say that's old.

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That's the prime age to go in when you raise your family.

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You need to have made money and lost money.

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I've done both and I value the taxpayers money and I value the decisions that give them money

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to spend and I feel for the young people because like you, this country is we on a time bomb

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if we don't do something with our debt and if we don't do something with secure in our

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elections.

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We just are.

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I think a lot of people will agree with that.

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Before I let you go, you grew up in Rock Hill as I understand it.

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Talk to me about growing up there, how that influences you.

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I know people in the upstate probably are very similar to those in Rock Hill and all parts

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of the state but it's different than Charleston or Columbia or wherever else.

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Talk to me about your upbringing, how that shapes you and your final and closing message

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to the voters.

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Yeah, I grew up in a great family.

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Christian family made us work.

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I was born in basically a five, four room house.

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We moved up, had a father who made us work, the mother who worked, did well in the real

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estate business.

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It shapes how you view things if you've had to work.

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I look on the closing, my message is you ought to know where I stand, everybody should

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know what, my background, which is the open book and I'm here to do what I can to protect

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America.

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Faith, family and freedom, that's it and I've got the background for that that raised me

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like that and I'll take the same values to Washington and it'll be on steroids because

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I'll be a vocal opponent for those who are tearing this country down.

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I will be a vocal voice from making sure socialism is not taking over this country and it's pretty

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simple.

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That faith, family and freedom and protecting this country is what I'm going to do.

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And in those order, faith, family and freedom, I think that's what a lot of people want to

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hear.

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Thank you, Congressman Norman.

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I really appreciate you doing this.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you.